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- alright, we're ready to go out. well, welcome everybody. (audience applause) so nice to have you all here tonight. i know you are countingdown the days until you get
St Louis Cardinals Radio Network, to bid us adieu and go home for a break, but first you gotta get through those final papers and exams. but just to kind ofgive you a little treat
as you look forward to those things, we have a great speakerhere tonight who i'm really excited about having here. you know, several years agowhen professor nicholson and i conceived of the idea of reallyhaving a program to focus on sports at the newhouse school,a place that's known for turning out great sportscasters,one of the things that he came up with was the ideaof first having a newhouse sports media center.
i hope some of you hadan opportunity to see it. and then we came up with theidea of having an annual award to recognize people in sportsand in sports leadership. and we thought who betterto recognize and name the award for than one ofour own alums, and a man who mentored many of ouraccomplished sportscasters, and that man was marty glickman. and if you don't knowwho marty glickman is, you should go and find out.
since 2013 we have giventhe award to a number of terrific people who we believerepresent what marty glickman had come to representin terms of venturing, leadership, and just beingan all-around good guy. the award recognizes not onlyexcellence and accomplishments in sports media, but alsothe idea of giving back, which was really important tous, especially in mentoring young people who were workingto make their own paths. young people like you whoone day might see yourselves
following in the footsteps ofsome of the great folks who've come out of the newhouse school. our alumnus, marty glickman,who was the class of '39, was noted for his generosityin mentoring others, as well as for his professionalaccomplishments on air. our 2016 recipient joins thesmall and distinguished group of previous winners. bob costas, class of '74, marv albert, class of '63,
and beth mowins, ourgraduate class of '90. sean mcdonough, class of '84,has proven himself repeatedly as a professional sportsannouncer with cbs, the boston red sox, and espn,and now as the play-by-play voice of monday night football,following the footsteps of another great newhouse alum. we're really proud of him. i hope you've been watching him. i'm a big football fan, soi've had the opportunity
to watch sean on monday nights. i think he's doing a great job. he's been, but beyond just doinga great job professionally, he has been unfailingly generousto others, including to his alma mater and studentshere at his alma mater, and to a large number ofother young men and women who have sought his adviceabout their own careers. so tonight you have anopportunity to hear from him about his career and advicethat he may give to you,
but first i thought it wouldbe great for you to see a few of the highlights ofsean's career courtesy of espn. so let it roll. - hi everybody and welcome. i'm sean mcdonough, alongwith the college football hall of famer, chris spielman. we'll be joined in amoment by todd mcshay. delighted to have you with us. - [announcer] 10 seconds remaining.
(mumbling) the shot runs off. hamilton! no! a moment to! (cheering) mangham, all kinds of time. steps into the throw. in the wind.
down the goal line, and (shouting) touchdown, byu! mitch matthews on thelast play of the game. got off to a rousing start this morning, a buzzer beating win over marquette. then north carolinadominated mississippi state. and later tonight you'll rapthrough his favorite part of the evening, the nightcam, you will see in illinois. - start early.
- i'm dave o'brien. great to be joined bymy pal sean mcdonough. does it get any better than this? - well, theoretically yes. i could be standinghere with cindy crawford instead of you. - good evening, everybody,and welcome to big monday. sean mcdonough along with jay bilas. jay has it in his new contractthat the show has to begin
with a fancy movement inhis face, so there you go as the camera zooms in on jay. - [announcer] tied at 74. gonna need a time of 4.7 on the clock. - they have to get it inthe zone time box, they do. (shouting and cheering) - chris, battlefrog, anew sponsor this year for the fiesta bowl. it's a company thatinvolves outdoor activities,
including obstacle courses. that seems fitting. a lot of obstacles forthese two teams to get here. he doesn't walk much. he walked only 17 timesin 300 at bats in the triple a this year. he lapped it at two oh down to two one. line drive and. justice is scoring the tying run.
bring to the plate, and he is safe! safe! the braves come the world series. has trouble with the snap, and the bullet is free. it's picked up by michigan state. jenilyn wants jackson, and he scores on the last play of the game. unbelievable!
- sean mcdonough. (applause) okay, so now joined by thedirector of the newhouse sports media center, professor johnnicholson, please another warm welcome for sean mcdonough. - how are you, boss? - good to see you. - nice to see you. hi, everybody.
- [crowd] hi. - happy to report that sincethat michigan-michigan state game a little over a yearago i have hit puberty now. (laughing) shaving, which is very exciting. all the highlights, i realize i'm 54, and i still haven't hit puberty. how about you? - i can't remember 54,
so there's that. i do wanna start out, i'll takea chance right away and say that we are delighted to have you-- - thank you.with us. - thrilled to be here in the herd. my pal joyce. - this is true. we were talking about how we saw her with, sitting with barbaraboeheim behind the bench at
the barkley's the other night. and not such a good outcome on floor, but. so ladies and gentlemen,you know that sean is the pride of syracuse university,now the pride of espn and monday night football. but he's also the prideof hingham high school. - hingham high school. - do we have any bostonians? (mumbling) yeah, look at that.
- what was it like growing upin hingham in the boston area? - well, i like to say i wasborn in south boston because it sounds a little meaner and tougher. - yeah. - we lived there until iwas in the first grade. hingham was a great town. hingham, your typical kindof nice american suburb, little coastal town inthe south shore of boston. i think one of the bestbenefits of growing up there was
that we had a great public school system, which helped prepare me forthe opportunity to come here. - [interviwer] you are one of five. - i am. - [john] and your dad, of course the legendary will mcdonough, who was speaking oftough guys, from southy. there's a story about himtaking on a football player after a game one day.
tell us what you know about that. - yeah, for those whodon't know my dad though, he was a sportswriter for theboston globe for a long time. around boston that's whathe was best known for. around the rest of the countryhe really became known as the first quote-unquote informationman on sports television. cbs, the old nfl today, whichat the time was hosted by brent musburger beforeany of you were born. my dad, they brought himdown one week to be a guest
about a particular topic,and he knew so much about other things that were goingon in the national football league that they said weshould bring him back again. so they brought him backa couple times as a guest, and then they decided we shouldmake this a regular segment. so there were guys like chrismortensen and adam schefter and john clayton andpeter gammons in baseball. really i think they all owetheir existence in that role, guys who made the transition,or women who made the
transition from print journalism to tv, or do both at the same time. my dad was the first person to do that. so as a matter of fact,when he died peter came, came to my dad's funeral. he grabbed me on the wayout in church, and he said, "when i got hired to be ontv, the first person i called "was your dad to thank himfor being successful at this "because if he had doneit and done it well,
"who knows if the restof us would have had "this opportunity. the story you're talkingabout is the fall of 1979. i was a senior at hingham high school. and the patriots playedan early season again the new york jets, which they won56 to three in the crappy old fox grove stadium. now they have thisbeautiful gillette stadium, which some of these peoplehave probably been it.
but when i was there theyplayed at this kind of glorified high school stadium. and i'm the oldest. at the time there were three of us who were old enough to go to the games. my brother terry and mysister erin and i would go to the games. we'd wait for my dad at the game. usually it took a half hour,45 minutes while he would
get posts for the story he wasgonna write about the game. and that day was taking very long, and didn't really think much of it. security guard came out and said, "are you the mcdonough kids?" "yes, we are." "come with me." thought oh, this is odd. we've never been into the patriots'
locker room building before. we went down by the lock, saidyour dad was in a little bit of a scuffle with one of the players. i thought well, that's not good. raymond clayborn, who wasa young defensive back, apparently he was upsetbecause some of the reporters were too close to hislocker after the game. and people couldn't figureout why he was upset. they just won 56 to three.
but anyway, he startedpushing people around, so my dad went over totry to calm him down. he brave jabbed a finger in my dad's face, kinda scratched his cheekand poked him in the eye. my dad wound up andpunched him in the face. and knocked him down. - [john] into a laundry basket. - into a laundry basket. he jumped up again, a coupleof the players got in between,
and then they kind of let mydad to so it would be fair, and my dad knocked him down again. so you know, when you're akid, you go to the bus stop, and we say my dad can beatup your dad, whatever. but then it was never mind your dad. my dad can beat up nfl football players. and it was all over tvbecause all the tv cameras that were in there forthe post game sound bites, once the arguing started,they turned the camera around
and caught a lot of it. and a couple of weeks lateron monday night football with me standing in the backof the booth in green bay because i went on a tour ofmidwest colleges with my dad, howard cosell said on theair that larry holmes, the then heavyweight championof the world wanted my dad (laughing)as his next. so when you're a little kid,you know, howard cosell just mentioned my dad on monday night football.
so we had a great affectionfor monday night football for a long time. - [john] you were proudof him when he did that. - yeah, i mean i was. he stood up for other people, you know. apparently i wasn't in theroom, but apparently ray was pushing around some peoplewho were quite a bit older than my dad. at the time i think my dad wasin his mid-40's at the time.
and my dad was the presidentof the football writer's association, so i think hefelt it was his place to try to intervene. then when you get poked inthe eye, i think at least south boston irish reactionis probably to wind up and smack somebody. so he did, you know, it'sjust one of those memories of my childhood thatwill always stay with me, particularly the timemonday night football a few
weeks later. now i've told that story alot over the last few months since i got hired to do this job, but more than anything elsei was really just proud of my dad because of thekind of person he was. loraine was very generous,and there are comments about mentoring people or takingan interest in other people. but in our family the five ofus learned that from our dad. he was the most kind, generous,giving person of his time
and of his resources thananybody i've ever known. and when he died we got acall from the people over at boston garden that theywanted to offer the use of the building for the wakeand the funeral because they thought it was gonnabe the only place in boston big enough for all thepeople who'd wanna come pay their respects. and it wasn't because hewas a great sports writer, or he was a pioneer to tv.
it was because he made suchan impact on our community through charity work, inan always very anonymous understated way. some day i'm gonna write abook just about those couple of weeks when he died, all thestories that people told me of things he did to them thatwe never knew because my dad thought you should do theright thing because it was the right thing, not tohave people tell you you're so wonderful.
so that's what i was proudestof, and always will be. he set a great example for us. he set a great examplefor me journalistically. i think a lot, even thoughhe was mostly a writer, a lot of my approach tocovering games on tv as a play-by-play person isreally with his journalism background and mine. you know, gathering newscorrectly, preparing like heck for the game, being fair,being honest, being candid,
not being afraid to give youropinion as long as it's fair and you're not just tryingto hammer somebody for the sport of it, whichthere's way too much of that in television today, in the media today. it's just gotten out of controlbecause there are so many people in the media, and somany people are trying to make a name for themselves. and unfortunately in a lotof instances that approach is what gets rewarded and promoted.
so i miss my dad. he's been gone 14 years, andfor those of you who still have your parents, cherishevery moment that you have even though maybe right nowin your point of your life you don't think they're all that smart, or whatever the case may be. i think as the years go onyou'll come to appreciate them a lot more, and you'll cherishthe great time that you have. - [john] i think societyand the business misses
your dad, too, but it'scarried on by you and some other people. he did, as you pointedout, become very successful as a broadcaster, but made hisreputation first as a writer, and yet he advised youto be a broadcaster. - yeah, he did for a variety of reasons. as i said, i was in highschool in the late 70s. even then that was reallythe very beginning of when newspapers around the countrywere starting to struggle.
lot of cities had twonewspapers, even more, were down to one. (phone ringing) hello.(laughing) i'm always that personin church who forgets to turn their phone off, soi have to relate to that. but if you need to takethe call, please feel free, whatever it was. and i forget what i was talking about--
- why. - yeah, what he saw, newspaperswere starting to struggle, and cable tv was reallyjust starting to come into existence. i mean, people of this ageare gonna find that hard to believe, but when i wascoming here, espn, ness and all these comcast sportsnets all over the country, they were either just onthe drawing board or just coming into existence.
so my dad saw that coming,and he said there's gonna be a lot more opportunity inbroadcast journalism and sports than there will be in print journalism. and he thought even thenin high school that i had some ability to do this,so he thought it made sense from that standpoint, too. and that's why i camehere, because syracuse, thanks to that man, and i wouldjust echo what loraine said. marty glickman's the reason,those of you who were here
at this university, andnewhouse in particular because you wanna be a sportsbroadcaster, a play-by-play person in particular, it all traces back to him. and i would just echo whatlorraine said, if you don't know who marty glickman is, google him. if you can find a wonderfuldocumentary that was done about him, you should. he was the first, andit happened by accident. he was a great football playerhere who got the opportunity
to get into broadcasting by accident. somebody was looking for himi think to do a high school football game, and he didn't wanna do it. then they said the pay is$10 bucks or whatever it was, and ok, you've got a broadcaster. and he became a legendary broadcaster, particularly in new york. and he was idol of marv albertand bob costas and dick stockton and people like that.
and they all went herebecause of him, they wanted to be like him. and i came here because iwanted to be like marv albert and dick stockton and bob costas. and i had the chance towork with marty glickman in my first job out of school here. the fall of '84, i graduatedmay of 84 after eight arduous years, four,amazingly only four years. and i got a job as a sidelinereporter on the ivy league
football game of the week. it was a pretty good thing. pbs stations around the northeast. but it was a great gigbecause there are no commercials on pbs. they do beg a lot for money,which kind of counts as a commercial. so when you're the sidelinereporter there's no commercials. every time there's a time outor the end of the quarter,
there's time to fill, it'sa great time to be the sideline reporterbecause you get on a lot. but marty glickman thesecond year of the package was the play-by-play person. he became a mentor to me, among the many, and i learned so much from himthat i still remember today, stuff that at the timestruck me as little thing, like watch the monitor. when i got hired to do the red socks game,
channel 38 in boston hiredhim to come to spring training for the first games i did withbob montgomery at the time. and marty came down to coachus, and he walks out of the booth and he says, andwe finished the first game. you should be talkingabout what the people on the screen are seeing. he said they're showingyou a shot of the pitcher. that's what's on the screen,and you're talking about the batter or the thirdbase coach or the umpire,
the manager, and it's jarring. he said your words really shouldmatch what's on the screen. well, it's a pretty basicthing now, but at the time i hadn't done much tv, play-by-play on tv. i'd done a lot of radio play-by-play. and it seems simple, but he'sthe one who reinforced it in my head. so he was a great man. it was a real privilege to be his friend
late in his life as it turned out. and as john knows, lorraineknows, winning this award means a lot to me for a lot of reasons,not just the other winners who represent everythingthat's good about our business, but because it's named afterhim who's responsible for all this and a man i admiregreatly and always will. - [john] we'll talk more aboutbroadcasting, and of course we'll open it up to yourquestions after a little bit. but first i wanna talk aboutsomebody else you developed
a relationship with whileyou were a student here. tell us about coach macand how that came about. - oh gosh, i hope again, i always thinkeverything was last week, and it was, when i washere it was 30 years ago, more than 30 years ago. and that's another thingyou'll come to appreciate. older people like me sayit, but you're gonna be sitting here 30 years fromnow, and it's gonna feel like
you were sitting there yesterday. i remember being in theseauditoriums and classrooms and hearing dick stocktonspeak, and billy patter, and thinking gee, somedayit would be neat to be them. and it happens, it goes by so fast. but when i was a studenthere my freshman year, beginning of my freshman year,which was the fall of 1980, frank malone was our football coach. he got fired at the end ofthat season, so november-ish.
and they hired a coachwho was assistant at the cleveland browns at thetime, dick macpherson. and i met him shortlyafter he arrived on campus. he even knew my dad. he had been the headcoach at the university of massachusetts, so my dadcovered his games for the boston globe. and i went, i snuck in to hisintroductory press conference in the dome in the ernie davis room.
i snuck in, and i was an intern at the time withthe sports revision office you know licking envelopes which they did back thenand stuffing press releases and so i knew they were interested first as a coach because i hadput the press releases in the envelopes that day anyway, he speaks, he was great, you know coach mack is one of those
captivating charismatic people ever and then the chancellor at the time mr. eggers took him around the room and introduced him to allthe trustees and donors and they'd been going aroundthe room for a long time and i'm waiting patientlyand they're gonna blow right by me andi almost grabbed coach like a little puppy dog and jay crowley came in theathletic director at the time
said coach this is shaun mcdonough he worked as an intern inthe athletic department you may know his dad will mcdonough. you're will mcdonough's son your dad's the greatest guy i know he put his arm aroundme for the first of many coach mac hugs and he talked to me for about 20 minutes which really upset the chancellor
and the athletic director they were desperate to move on tomany more important thing particularly the peoplewho could give money to the university. and the coach talked and he said well if you're one of us then you must know something about football. so i have to go back and coach the browns for a couple of moreweeks but when i get back
i'm gonna call you andwe're gonna talk about if shaun mcdonough can do to help me get this football program turned around. so i ran back to my dorm we don't have cell phonesthen and called my dad i ran back to dave hall. and i said dad i just met thenicest man i've ever met in my life, or the biggestphony i've ever met,
coach mcpherson. and he was very particularit's not mcpherson it's mcpherson 'cause he used to say there is no fear in mcpherson which as a football coachis a great thing to say but my dad said no he'sthe best man you met and he'll call you. and sure enough he called me at six o'clock on a sunday morning.
to the chagrin of my two other roommates in a triple in day hall in a room about the size from where you're sitting to where i'm sitting and he said i'm going tobe in front of day hall in a half an hour andwe're gonna go to mass and then we're gonna go tobreakfast and talk about what you can do to helpthe football program so i worked for coach for the rest of my
undergraduate time here and he remains one of my dearest friends he's like a second dad he just has 86th birthday the other day. had a chance to talk to him 'cause you know his health isn't great. but he's still there,he's still coach mac and they need another coachmac to come rescue this football program 'causehe totally turned it around
and hopefully there'sanother person like him there are very few like him 'cause he's a unbelievable man. - [john] so while you were a student here and helping coach macturn the program around in whatever ways thatyou were able to do that you guys had rough athlete experience the waar, syracuse chiefs eventually and you rocketed that to the point where
very soon you were at cbs recalling the world series, what was that like? - calling the world series? - [john] all of that. - around yeah it went fast you know the when i was here, chance debrockis i did tuesday we did about 400 minor league
baseball games by the time i graduated as a 22 year old so that's one level below the major leagues the chiefs at the timewere the top farm team from the toronto blue jaysi believe now it's the washington nationals. so i had a lot ofexperience even though i was very young, got the opportunity to well bunch of stuff between 22
we had a football game and 25 college sports nesser was just starting they wanted young peoplewho would work for next to nothing, nesser when i started was in 3,000 homes and it was probably 3,000homes within a couple miles of here, and thatwas all of new england so i used to joke you dropped f bombs seeif anybody would call in
you know 'cause you're pretty sure there was nobody out there watching. and of course i'd never do that but. - [john] course not. - no. so, got a chance for the red sox games when i was 25, one of the benefits ofworking in boston was that espn is based in bristol, connecticut.
the red sox games wereseen in connecticut, they were seen by the espn if i was doing a good job so they hired me a year or two later and then cbs people found me on espn, they thought i was okay so 1992 they offered me the chance to do the world series on national tv with tim mccarver
you saw the supreme playfrom the '92 playoffs. one of the greatest baseball games ever. and so much of that what happens in your career, your life is just being in the rightplace at the right time. you know like the michiganstate thing last year. there's a lot of other games that i've had the privilege todo that weren't on the tape. six overtime games there in connecticut
in the big east tournament was incredibly good fortune to do that. i think that reallyimproved my standing at espn a lot of people watchedthat night and thought it was a good telecast and that helped me move forward. so you never know when thatevent's gonna take place but doing the worldseries was a little scary this'll be my shamelessname drop of the night.
but matt damon is a good friend. and he was a good friendeven way back then he was still in college at harvard, a lot of you've probably seen good will hunting and that scene where you know he got the numbers likeapples all the time and stuff that was actually a placecalled the bow and arrow
in harvard square that i used to meet mattat fairly regularly for a couple beers. so i've been waiting to hear back from cbs if i was gonna get the job as (mumbling) every time i talked to matt he asked me did you getit, did you hear anything? no i haven't heard anything so talked to him one daywe're gonna meet that night
at the bow and arrow and i got the call that i wasgonna do the world series on national tv. i was gonna call matt and call my family call my dad, i said youknow i'm gonna see matt tonight i'll have some fun with him and see if i'm a goodactor 'cause at this time matt had just been in one or two movies school ties,
good will hunting hadn't come out yet that's really what made matt ultra famous. but i said all right see if i can act so we have a beer or two i say oh by the way i tried to act sad you know i got the call today from cbs. and he could tell i wassad and he just said well what happened, i said
do you wanna go to the world series? and he got all annoyed realize you know i'm very emotional he's very emotional, so anyways but i was going a couple weeks later they had a going awayor a couple months later when i was going to do the playoffs and the world series they had a going away party for me
i was gonna be gone for three weeks and we went back to thebow and arrow with a bunch of friends and hesaid are you nervous? i said no i'm not nervous. i said i don't really get that nervous he said yeah but this is the world series. this is the national league playoffs, how many people watch the world series. i said i don't know it's on 150 countries
around the world. he said well let's just suppose there's a million people in each country there's more millions in the united states that's everybody in boston times after he days that the good will hunting that's everybody in foxboro stadium times so he kept coming examples of you know what that numberwould be in terms of the
magnitude on the globe. i didn't really think about it again until game one of thenational league playoffs standing on camera position definitely excited, nervous, pat o'brien's doing the pregame show he's wrapping it up and all i'm thinking in my head is
150 million people that's everybody in cambridge times whatever so i was very nervous, i was very nervous the first one pregame this year. something new, you know you're gonna be scrutinized like youhaven't been in a long time. people are gonna be making judgments about whether or not you're goodenough for that assignment.
so that comes with it. if you're not a little excited and nervous then you should go do something else but after monday football i cried but i started apologizing to the people who offered me the job said you know i was thinking about my dad it's very emotional he said you should cry thisis monday night football it's a big deal.
so, you know it's okay to be excited as i said ifyou're not a little nervous you don't have a pulse. you should go do something else. - [john] last one forme then we'll open it up to the floor the audience. you and cbs parted company. - yes.
- [john] espn had the goodsense to bring you back. - yes, well, good sense i don't know. - because you are ridiculously humble which leads me into the next part of this, you've done just about everything although i'm pretty sureyou have also never done talk shows just. - the dog show? - no, allergic to dogs so.
and cats. - somebody asked just famously your friend, an hour's mike tirico. - who? - how do you do play by play and mike said watch shaun mcdonough what's that mean to you? - oh that was probablythe nicest compliment ever
that made me cry, butcartoons make me cry so. that was, you had the over under on half on before he cries you're gonna lose all your fans i guess'cause i haven't really cried yet but you know lynn vanderhook whoa lot of you know here at newhouse, she called the other daythis was a few years ago
she said, i just want you to know mike tirico was here on campus today he did an assembly likethis q&a and one of the students said i wannabe a play by play person what advice could you give me? and mike said watch shaun mcdonough. and, that would be nice to me from anybody but coming from someone like mike who is as good and talented
as anybody we have as many ever if you could put mike on anything and he's gonna do a great job, any sport, he can do play by play he can do an interview he can host it from behind the desk which is one of the reasons why he went to nbc and makes total sense 'cause eventually he'lldo sunday night football
and the olympics and a lot of other stuff. at the time there were 54 i just got this opportunity was doing a lot of wonderful events in between but from the world series even the fiesta bowl,the british open things they're all great events, almost anybody in our business would like to do, but you realizewhen you're doing them
there is that rungthat's again a little bit above the world series,monday night football, whatever the case may beyou know the super bowl. and the years are goingby and i'm not really getting back to that pointand you don't really know if you're gonna get back to that point. 'cause you can't controlwhat opportunities you get other than work as hard as you can, keep trying hard, preparing hard and
hoping that treat peoplewell and hope that someday the opportunity comes. and so in that interim period it was really you startto doubt yourself almost maybe i'm not good enoughto go back to that rung, maybe i'm a one levelbelow the top rung guy. and so when you hear things like that, reese davis when he started doing play by play for espn
called me and said tell me what to do. you know, i wanna do this like you do it. rece davis is crazy talented. it's stuff like thatthat means a lot to you and to me more than awards or whatever although i will cherish this forever
'cause those are the people who know. you know i think when you do something for a living, you knowwho's good who isn't, you know who's workingat it who's just kind of mailing it in. so i think the mostimportant thing is to be respected by your peers, you know yousaw the article today that was on this website uproxx
which i had never heardof and now i'm glad i have they wrote a very nice article but there was a lot of quotes in there from colleagues andfriends saying they were happy that this happened to me. and that's what's meaningful you know so mike's a dear friend and one of the best parts of this was a lot of times in our business in life
you experience something that's great but usually it often comes at the expense of somebody else. in this case, mike movedon to something great, it was his choice, and iwas able to step in and take his place, he toldme at the british open the year before there wasa chance he might leave. i'm like where you gonna go? he goes to espn.
he said i might go to nbc you know planning for the day whenall mike was like bob costas and we aren't gonna work as much of a schedule, you know al is in his '70s bob his mid '60s. and i said oh that's the price if they only just al and bob are still great asanybody who watches them know, knows, so,
then mike said, and i think if i leave they're gonna give youmonday night football. and i said well as your dear friend then i must count you that you need to leave. clearly it's what's bestfor your career mike so it worked out great for both of us. - [john] well the record sit in that story you just mentioned was even if shaun mcdonough isnot your favorite announcer
he is your favoriteannouncer's favorite announcer. - well, i'm blessed tohave a lot of friends. it's like anything in life that's worthwhile it's wonderful that you enjoy what you do and i love what i do and i think hopefully you'll all get the chance to do what you wanna do and love it as much as you think you're gonna love it because
one of the greatest blessings you can have in life is to do something that never feels like work and i know that's a cliche but it's true. i love doing this i still love it, i get excited for everygame i used to have a little sign on my desk at home said egitsp which stands for every game is the super bowl
and that's really the way i feel. you know monday night football's awesome but i get excited when i go to new mexico state and do a friday night college football game with 300 people in the stands so we're blessed to have a chance to do this but the best part is the people, the friends that you make,the colleagues that you
work with, you know billraftery and jay bilas are two of my dearest friends. as is mike tirico,chris spielman who i worked for the last couple years timely see college football and i stilltext with chris every day. chris called me yesterdayhe was in a little bit of a jack but he accidentally telestratedi don't know if you saw during the 49ers miamidolphins game sunday
he was telestrating thescreen and drew what appeared much to be apart of the male anatomy. and, he got a lot of attention what in this day and ageof websites and such. - [john] did you advisehim that it would pass? with a few jokes. probably not suitable for a classy audience of this type. not for the very smart serious people.
- [john] let's spend thenext 25 minutes or so taking your questionsabout anything you want and then after that we'llhave another opportunity as we always do-- - i feel like we're blockingthe movie screen in here. - [john] and so on, if you will, we have a microphonefor the stands up there? that'll be part of the video but just touch on your first name and
what would you like to know? richard allen will besemi ready to hear it. that's you. - [man] should i waitfor the microphone or? - [john] no you can talk loud. - [chris] hello mr.mcdonough my name's chris i'm a sophomore here at su, thank you so much forcoming to speak to us my question is for a guy who's done
golf and tennis as a broadcaster i'm interestedin doing those sports how did you go aboutgetting those opportunities and even getting repetitionsat those opportunities before they came becausethey're not really the kind of sports likebaseball or football where you can just go and sit in the stands and get your tape. - right.
thank you chris and ihope you all feel free to call me shaun i appreciateyour politeness but i'm a little older than you guys but you're much more mature than i am i can guarantee that so it'll all even out. in the case of golf, a lot of it is who you know, what you know
i mean i definitely got some opportunities particularly my life as being my dad's son, i also got fired twice 'cause i was my dad's son. people wanted to settlesome scores with my dad so what better way to punish somebody than to punish their kids? so, it works both ways but and the example of the golf, i love golf,
i live in arizona now in the winter in large part so a i didn't like boston winter anymore after that winter we had two winters ago and b i just wanted to play golf all year round if i could. so i could be aggravated12 months out of the year instead of essentially seven. my brother asked me shouldi learn how to play golf
i said yes if you wannaspend a lot of money to irritate the heck out of yourself then it's something you should do but for many years espn had some of the british open but we shared i think it was return someone was on abc butmike tirico was our lead host on the abc espn part. and then seven years ago
espn got the entire british open exclusive coverage and we were gonna be on the first two days thursdayand friday we were on 11, 12, 13 hours a day. so we needed more options. and life went to john wildhack and norm williams and people ran espn at the time and said you should hire shaun
'cause you should use him he plays golf and i actually did golfon cbs in the late '90s. i benefited that case gary mccord the cbs golf commentator got in trouble with people at augustanational because he said a few things during the masters telecast that they didn't like. and so he was basically banned.
so they popped me in 'cause i was at cbs at the time and theyknew that i knew golf. so that's how i got thatopportunity that way. as you said you sit in the dome and broadcast a footballgame or a basketball game and get experience that way. it'd probably look a little weird if you walked up to a pga tournament event and stood at the ropes and said
here's phil mickelson playing for par that might be found a littleannoying by some of the people who are participatingin the tournament or trying to watch it but you can almostpractice any play by play of anything off the tv screen. you know, most of what football games, basketball's right in front of you i pretty much call it off the
floor live when i watch it broken down and then when there's awhistle i look at the monitor. but football i call almost the entire game off the monitor. it's easier to see, lot of these booths are very far away. these hd monitors and everything it's easier to identify theplayers pick up their numbers than it is looking atthe field from hundreds
of yards away so you could practice callinggolf just turn the volume down and describe what you see off the screen. i think that's always thebest way to get better at this, repetitions. golf's fun, it's weirdthough 'cause you don't like when i was at the british open as a hole announcer for those years mike was very nice to letme anchor a couple hours
from four to seven am eastern time. good answer, very generous. but the rest of the timei'd be a hole announcer you're not watching i can do it from my living room in boston. you never look out, you're in a tower on the 16th hole whatever the hole typically i would cover
four five six holes. so you can't be at all of them and you're not looking out the window and you can't possibly keeptrack of who's on every hole so lot of times you'rejust relying on them to tell you in your ear that's jordan speef he's on six it's his second shot it's 132 yards and you're regurgitatingwhat people are telling you
through your ear. but you don't have tobe at the golf course to actually do the golf. yes sir. - [james] my name's james. - hey james. - [james] i'm a freshman here. for someone who's seen so many great moments in sports,
what's one that really really sticks out? - wow, you know maybebecause it was so recent that six overtime you know the michigan state finish it got a lot of there wasthe one year anniversary couple weeks ago it'sbeen a lot of articles particularly in detroit, ann arbor and talk shows out there and then on the espn shows 'cause it was
such an unbelievable ending you know i don't know if all of you know when it happened basically michigan just gets that pull off they win the game, bigrivalry game it was a big game nationally and in the big 10 race and lot of implications about who was gonna be your team could stay at michigan michigan had been for a long time
but they weren't for several years now the rise of michigan state so there was a lot going into that. yeah other than screaming like a 12 year old, i was fine with that you know we had headset issues that day and i was having voice problems anyway but i think
the most important thing people ask me from time to time do you have a philosophyof calling big moments? and you can't. first of all there's not enough time. you can't sit there and anticipate every possible outcome and you probably would have thought the kid's gonna have trouble with his snap
and drop it's gonna go up in the air and number 20's gonna catch it and it's also important tohave a really good spotter. you know jalen watts-jacksonof michigan state was one of the most obscureplayers on the team. i was very fortunate ofgetting a really good view of him from our booth'cause he was on our side of the field, and hisnumber was basically turned toward us, and my spotterwas so adamant about
that he was pointing at number 20 i knew he knew it was the right person there's nothing worsethan a play like that and you say jalen watts-jackson he scores and they win and blah blah blah an unbelievable game and then oh wait a minutethat was john nicholson number 22 you wanna shoot yourself after you shoot your spotter.
i was very fortunate is that pat (mumbles) who was myspotter for that game was all over it and didn't but maybe 'cause that wasone of the most recent you know that, the six overtime game again have to think how old are you guys you know do you even remember it? 2008, i'm terrible you know bob costas remembers every date and
score and yeah i don't even remember what i had for lunch so i'm not good at that sort of thing but that was great the sid bream thing you know there's i've been very fortunate. you just need to get lucky. and then the fun part about this do you want to do this? - [james] yes i do.
- yeah, the fun part about that is and you don't know at the time 'cause you don't havetime is what people say well what do you think about you don't think about anything, you just call the play and if you have to think about should i be more excitedshould i be less excited is this a game play
then you're not gonna be good at this because that needs to be instinctive. you know, the reason i scream like that was my honest physical emotional vocal reaction to what was going on and probably in line with just about what everybody else whowas watching this game was thinking oh my god i can'tbelieve that just happened and the significance ofit all and everything
had just turned in theblink of an eye literally so don't think about it just go, and if you screamand your voice breaks and you're embarrassed by it i was embarrassed by that at the beginning and then all of a suddenpeople kept telling me that was perfect, that was great, that was awesome, youreally captured that moment it was like good i can make myself
squeal like that on purpose and maybe i'll do it more. like yeah, that just happened to be what came out at the time so you know, just go with it i guess would be the best, sir. - [zack] hi shaun i'm zach i'm a freshman, can you describe your game day prep routine
and just your research that goes into a monday night football game? - nice job, it's a week long thing i actually give myself tuesdays off because the rest of theweek is pretty intense. and after you do the game you're tired i woke up this morning i was really tired you know there's just so much adrenaline flow that
you're really not awareof what's happening within your body that whenyou wake up the next day you think oh i'm really tired. and one of the it's not physically grueling you're just standing in one place for three and a half hoursor four and a half hours five and a half hours we were up there couple hours before the game
looking at graphics andvoicing over things but it's mentally taxing, becauseyou have to concentrate on every single word that you say for three and a half hours. and you want everythingto come out perfectly it never does and you can't beat yourselfup if you mangle sentences 'cause i do it all the time and you're a human being sothat's what's gonna happen
but tomorrow, wednesday, i will get a package, fedex package from each team meet a guy, get the notes, facts, a lot of times they'll send you a clippings packet a little not a lot of that we get by email links and that sort of thing. we have a gentleman bythe name of jim carr
who's a researcher at espn. mike tirico told him when i got this job i never wanna do a game without jim carr which is gonna be one of the negative for him going to nbc he's gonna have to. jim basically reads everyword that's ever been written about the two teams over every game and every play, everycoach and he whittles it
down to a document that's about 40 to 50 typed pages it's a pretty long document but he's read so much more to get down to that, he has great judgment heknows what's important what's news worthy what arethe issues for the team? the tidbits about mostof the players in there which are topical again their contract, their injuries, theirpersonal life whatever.
so i read that, john gruden sends me these video clips called the thunders. he's in his office every morning four o'clock writing down film. he breaks down everyposition group of both teams and a lot of other things too. i have it in my phoneright now in my pocket i'd play them for you if it were suitable for an audience of this kind.
some of them are quitecolorful and interesting. i flew to los angeles for our first exhibition game this summer, watched john's thunderson the six hour flight from boston to los angelesdid not get to the end of it on the flight, so that'smany hours of viewing, they're really really helpful i know what he's thinkingheading into the game who can play who can't play
this is the weakness of the team this is the strength,these are the players the formations i mean you can watch john so you know what i mean there's nobody better at that and then i travel usually friday night to the game site wemeet with the home team saturday morning when they practice. meet with their playersand coaches that afternoon,
john and i go on monday night football bus we tape some of the things you may see place where sunday nfl countdown we do a piece called mike and mike in the morning on monday. we do a thing for sports center we tape all those back to back to back there's usually five or six things facebook live, it's live,
and then we have a productionmeeting sunday morning for about two hours in the hotel. we meet with the visitingteam when they arrive sunday night. their players and coaches we have another production meeting about two hours monday morning then we just review againthey show us the graphics,
we talk about what we wanna talk about in the opens and cut ins, and then we get to the game about three hours before the game. in the end run time i get teased now i have apparently the largest spottingboard in the history of sports television which i try to hold up now once a week on
those cameras in front of that huge board that we stand in front of because my friends it'sbecome a running joke it looks like a menuit looks like whatever so they always they'll text me hold up the chart. one guy said are you about to give gruden one of those fake checks for winning a buick open.
that's the week, and theonly thing i do tuesday they download the link of our game from the night before i get an email sometimes middle of the night, monday night, tuesday morning and i'll watch that onthe plane some of it. just to get a sense of what we're doing well,what we're not doing well. what we can do more of or less of,
sometimes i would encourage any of you to watch the tapes, listen to your tapes because you won't realize that you're using the same words over and over again or you're saying ah or um or you know or something like that all the time. like, i say the word like a lot. which i wish i didn't like you know like what i'm talking about?
so things like that. and that's how you get better. but i don't like to watch myself 'cause you know they all know, i can rememberalmost everything i said word for word the night before and here comes the thing that oh god i really wish i didn't say that. so that's tough to watch but
it's a week long undertaking. if you do it right, you could just show up and do the names and numbers and you could teach yourself and the audience and the people you're working with and i think people who do that don't make it very far in this. the most important part by far is the preparation.
yes. - [uron] hi shaun my name is uron i'm a sophomore sport management major, i wanted to ask you what's been one of the most challengingmoments in your career and what did you learn from it? - wow, there are a lot of them you know i think as i said, being 54 i get up to
many football games when you're 54 lot of twists and turns. you know, i got let go by the red sox in 2004, mostly a financial deal you know they had new ownership, the games were coming under the investment umbrellai'd always been paid by the old tv station thatprobably made too much money. i didn't agree with that.
so, i left but you know espn at that time had kinda after you comehere full time anyways so it worked. but, when i was a little kid and when i knew i wanted to do this when i was about five years old the job i really wanted to have was a paid voice for the red sox. and i did it for 17 years.
and it was the onlything that i really did served to the chiefs too, when you're an announcer for a team you can be invested inthe winning and losing. you care about who wins andloses at least you should. you should want the team that you're rooting for to win if you don't that would be kind of strange. so it was okay, and iintended not to be a homer.
there are a lot of play by play people for teams who are big homers. my style was more i talked to my dad and my upbringing try to be more journalistic and honest and candid, which is probably another reason why the red sox didn'twant me around anymore. it was only good if thepeople you're working with and for are okay with it.
so i'd just been bouncingback from that one i left cbs they played you know it was kinda unexpectedand you start to wonder what did i do or am i good enough or whatever. i think the other big challenge was just staying motivated, when you have done a lot of events and you're in your 50s and you know oh gosh
i'm going back to this place and doing this game again, if i ever stopped as i said before being excited about iti'd stop doing this. find something else but there are days you're definitely, you know you're tired you don't wanna read those clips you don't want to watch the videos you don't wanna go to the meetings.
you know, then you realize you're incredibly blessed to do this you know. i think the other challenge too is just taking care of yourself in the lifestyle that's constant travel. you know if you don't like to travel this is hard, i reallydon't like to travel. so it's hard but it's a necessary evil if you don't go to theevent you can't do it so
those would probablybe the biggest things. - [noah] hi shaun my name's noah wolfe i'm a sophomore bdj major here. you mentioned john gruden, what was it like working with him for the first time, wereyou at all intimidated? - oh yeah of course, istill am, i'm afraid of him. no. you know i knew from mike,
mike worked with him eight, seven years? seven years. they're close friends mike and i i talked to mike all the time still. talked to mike a lotwhen i first got the job about john, you know john is pretty much what you would think he is from watching him on tv
from watching him coach. very passionate, veryenergetic all the time. that is to say he's up at four o'clock in the morning watching film. he just has a love forfootball that i've never seen from anybody else, i don'tknow if i've ever seen anybody love anything as much as john loves football you know what i mean he'sincredibly passionate about it
he's very unpredictable which makes working with him a little more of achallenge than some other people i work with someother people you kinda knew this is how they do it, thisis how they're gonna do it this is what they like, don't like. you can say this to them,can't say that to them. you know, i'm stilllearning that with john, one of the big mistakes that i made
the first game or two was when they wanted me to make it fun and conversational not that it wasn't with mike and john it was but if anything they just wanted to go more in that direction and i tried too hard you know it's hard to have a rapport with somebody very young.
so, we spent a lot oftime together off the air, i think that's criticallyimportant getting to know each other off the air. and i think each week the comfort level's gotten better and better and better to the point where last night it felt as comfortable aspeople i've worked with for a long long time, like bilas and raferty
or chris spielman, todd mcshay so he's a fascinating guy and he's a rock star,i mean people love him we've walked in these stadiums and hey chuckie you know blah blah blah. take a picture with me. he's very very popular, and understandably so.
anybody else? - [john] got that mic? how's the mic? shaun thanks for coming my night. - thank you, thank youall for coming it's really just so nice to look out there and see so many people sitting here. - [john] well weappreciate you coming back to newhouse i think oneof the best things about--
- my pleasure. - [john] one of the bestthings about this school is alumni like yourself coming back. - well you're very kind. - [man] and your cool work. so my two questions got stolen by the first two people previous two people so i'm kind of makingsomething up on the fly now. - that's all right, that's what i do
90% of every day of my life so. - [man] for so long you're greatly known as a baseball guy now kind of you're now the voice of monday night football, can you talk about the different energy that made you need to have or difference in preparation if there is any for preparing for baseball as opposed to football or any sport,can you talk about that?
- yeah it's different you know i'm kind of monotone by nature, still aproblem that i have really. i think i'm excited then i watch the tape jeez it doesn't sound likei'm that excited and then you know, something again it's a reason to watch the tape but you can't be fakei don't wanna sit there and yell and scream whenthat's not my nature to do it. football and baseball i'd never do
basically you can do a baseball game it's just dull, and it'sdull for like six hours and it's never gonna be not dull. and, but that's the challenge,for me that was the fun part. when i worked with jerry remy doing the red sox games for all those years, i enjoyed the game morealmost when the game stunk because that's when we would delve off
into what we used to call the name banter and we'd put the name banter warning in the corner of thescreen it would flash and we got a letter froma lady one time in the springfield masters she said i wish you two would just shut up and call the game and ihate it when you go into your name banter. so, to torture her a little more
i read her letter on the air and i said just for you mrs. smith whatever and for how long we started talking about whatever stamp collectionsor lottery tickets or whatever you know, minors helmets. we're gonna put a warning on screen so if you don't wanna watch anymore you can flip to another channel.
or you know just turn it off so they're a lot different. you know football, i love doing football 'cause there's a rhythm to it. every game's important, there's 16 of them, they're college there's 12, 13 of them. they all mean a lot. you know baseball you show up
and it's game 92 out of 162 and it's important but it's not do or die if you win or lose. most of these games we're doing especially those college games where it's a better system, one loss can be fatal. often is. game last night the team that lost the packers and eagles they were probably
done for the playoffs so you kind of feed off theenergy and emotion of that but you find your way, you know you find the style that's comfortable for you. i would say the mostimportant thing in this really and i've probably saidthree things were the most important thing, do it the way it comes naturally to you like when i was here,
i was on war everybody'sauditioning to do this su football games or basketball games and there's 50 of us who wanna do it and they're only gonna pick two or three or four or five, when you listen to the tapes you could tell almost a lot of the times, not always you couldtell a lot of the time
where the person was from, where that young guy or girl was from because it sounded likethey were imitating one of the announcers from new york or one of the announcers from boston, one of the announcers from philadelphia because that's what theylistened to growing up. you shouldn't go on thereand pattern yourself after anybody else you can learn from what
people do well, but if it's gonna work you need to do it theway it comes naturally for you, that's what mike tirico does, that's what i tried to do. bill rafter you know he asked what's john like? the reason john works, that's john gruden that's not a guy out thereacting like john gruden that's john gruden, jaybilas is the same way
he's a pompous opinionatedpain in the ass. (drowned out by laughing) one of my best friends. we've treated back and forth today but he is that's what he's all about jay you tell 'em man he saysyeah i know, i know i am. you know, raferty is raferty he's the life of the party. the hundreds of textmessages and phone calls
and emails that i got when i got this job as i said to one ofthe writers he asked me i only got one congratulatory phone call at 1:36 in the morning and that was from bill raferty and it was an honest surprise 'cause his night was probablyjust getting started so we got that going for us. people have asked meto do this for raferty
notice he said i can do myliver does not miss that but i can do that for you. two more. - [matt] hi i'm matt i'm a sophomore, so mike tirico says that if you wanna learn play by playyou look at shaun mcdonough, who does shaun mcdonough sayto look at for play by play. - oh wow, that's a great question. you should be an john.
i have no good answer for this. there's no one person particularly. i have the people thati admired growing up i was very fortunate toanswer the previous question as much as you try not to pattern yourself and imitate people you're listening to, i was very fortunate igrew up in boston 'cause the announcers we had in every sport for the red sox or bruins you know
that marker came only withthe red sox announcers that to me they should both be in the baseball hall of fame. fred cusick i think is inthe hockey hall of fame the bruins tv announcer, bob wilson is the red announcer he's fantastic. johnny most was the legendary voice of the celtics which i don't know if you guys are old enough to remember him but you should
find him on youtube someplace he was bizarre but great. i think i try to pick up the goodthings that all of them did. the one guy who i thought was awesome when i do i wanna do two, well there are more than two but on the network there was dick enberg, who was just retiredfrom the san diego padres
at age 80 but he did you knew it was a biggame when you turn it on he was on it, he justhad a presence about him and he got a lot of great assignments. he was a great story teller but it was never i'm telling you a story so you'll pay attention to me it was a story to enhance the game which to me is one of ourprimary functions really
as important as anything else, we are there to enhance the viewer's enjoyment of the game and not detract from it. and there's a very fine line. you know if you'reannoying you talk too much if you whatever, you tryand be funny and you're not you're going to annoy people. that's not only is it bad it's you know
totally opposite ofwhat we should be doing. a well placed story,little sense of humor, pertinent facts, statsand their timing whatever that's what we're there to do. and dick enberg did that beautifully and then jack buck, he was joe buck's dad i know you all know who joe buck is his dad was the legendary announcer from the st. louis cardinalsi actually took his place
on the cbs baseball which was part of the nerve wracking part of that job i am taking jack buck'splace that's stupid because jack buck's oneof the all time greats. particularly at the big moment, so i started to say oh that's the fun part. the big part of the funis that like playing it's like coaching it's like fishing it's part of the gameand you only get a chance
to do it once. i could write thisnewspaper to write the game and i could write thelead over 27,000 times people read it and do it over again. when these plays happen if you totally botch it it's on that tape forever. whatever you put on there it's on there. and it is part of the adrenaline rush
and it's you live to be in those moments. so that's what i loved about jack buck. he was in the rightplace at the right time for a lot of people and kurtgibson getting a home run and i don't believe what ijust saw stuff like that. he was awesome at that so those are the people i admire. people who don't make it about themselves, but do a great job withhelping you enjoy the game
more than you would if you just sat there and watched it with the sound off. - [john] last one. - [adam] hi shaun, myname's adam i'm a sophomore in vga, and you already talked a lot about trying to be unbiasedwhen you read play by play and you also mentionedbeing a play by play commentator for a team, now that you're doingthis on a national level
and you can't show as muchbias i just was curious if you find it easier or harder to call for syracuse or call for teams that you grew up with. - yes that's, well theywere all good questions. i had that test earlier this year my brother's the vicepresident of player personnel for arizona cardinals. we had an arizona cardinalgame yesterday with jets.
i'm not gonna lie toyou and everybody else, i wanted the arizona cardinals to win, i love my brother. you know, my brother loves to eat his wife and children like to eat. they like their house. so, you know winning and losing for the arizona cardinals is important to the mcdonough family
but you know when youbroadcast a game that that can't come out, it cannot come out. and i was able the veryfirst game that we did it with john gruden. our first game waspittsburgh at washington, john's brother with whomhe's exceptionally close jay gruden is the head coachof the washington redskins. john agonized watched, i've since watched every week agonized over the redskins.
you know he loves his brother. he would be non-human if you didn't want your brother to win so it's a great test and i saw him go you never would've knownhis brother was the coach. it was hard for him, but he did it. just gotta be careful what you say and how you say it and that you sometimes you'll also pause.
the best preparation for me for that was doing so manysyracuse basketball games over the years, and afew football games but right after you bills did a million su basketball games including that six overtime game. 2008 or 9, 8, 2008. - [john] 2008.
it might be. one of the nicest commentsi got after that game was i never would've done that single. but i love singles. you know when i'm not i went to the elite 8 and the sweet 16 sat with julie boeheim,coach boeheim is a really good friend, i'm an oxymoron and friend of jim boeheim, becausewe don't have any friends
but i have him. oxymoron. and if it's any consolation he used to bitch at me when i was a student here at su talk about questions and i have a different question. i have that going. he was talking i was like coach you know parents are sending their kids are paying
60 i don't even wannaknow how much it costs to go here now, i knowi couldn't afford it but i purely made it was like 22 grand a year three year when i was here. but, i tell him all the time, there's parents paying a lot of money for that kid from the daily orange or war what is you know to have you address the kid at the press stop.
i don't care. he really is a pain for allyou but he's a good guy so i've lost track of the question. that's all right when you get to be 54. it's pretty much over. - you've been so many wonderful places ladies and gentlemen shaun mcdonough. (clapping) and now a word from our sponsor
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